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Episode 04: Fast is Fun, Faster is Funner

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If you’ve ever felt discouraged in your triathlon training or just feel like you need some direction on how to keep it fun and exciting, this is the video for you. Listen as Jeff Booher and Suzanne Atkinson talk about maintaining a sense of fun and purpose in triathlon training.

0:01 – Intro
0:39 – Suzanne Introduces Jeff Booher
1:29 – Triathletes and Speed
3:26 – Breaking Through Self-Imposed Barriers
5:30 – Purposeful Training
7:44 – Being Self Sufficient
8:46 – The Social Aspect of Triathlon and Purposeful Training
11:22 – Training Variables and Socialization in Training
13:45 – Enjoying Your Training with Other Athletes
14:59 – Aligning Time and Money
17:22 – Aligning Life Conflicts with Training
20:29 – Jeff Offers a Solution
23:08 – You CAN do Both
23:25 – What Makes Fast Fun?
26:18 – Find Ways To Enjoy Training
27:41 – Swimming Faster is Funner, Too
29:44 – Just Do the Workout
30:34 – Improving Self-Perceptions
31:27 – The Process Leads to Progress
33:04 – Personality and Progress
34:25 – Kids vs. Adults and Training
35:49 – Age and Enjoying Training
37:25 – Motivational Sources and Resources
39:38 – Tri For Him
40:57 – Wrap-Up

Transcript

Suzanne: Jeff thanks for joining me today couple of things that I wanted to talk to you about today have to do with triathletes and how faster and how not fast they are, you what I don’t think that most people are fast as they want to be but something interesting that you said to is that you think that triathletes that all the triathletes are able to be much faster than they believe they can be.

Jeff: absolutely we have at every level I think you really start from a mental just a belief that they can be that fast and then when that sinks in then their open to training more purposefully and getting a lot more enjoyment out of this sport. I know we had an earlier within the past month they had a pro I think she’s in the sport for more than 12 years and then she PR’ed a 427 on a half Ironman and she’s just static and just feeling phenomenal and great I’m getting her texts after she’s there with her husband and kids and I just never thought I could get this fast and so it just start opening up. And then from that some weeks and all she said is she’s heading workouts you know she has in her on a watts or 5 watts higher than she expected. And I see the same thing with aged groupers I think is more common in aged groupers because a lot of them don’t have as high as respiration as a pro so they come in new I see this fast people and that’s not me I’m this I’m a new packer I’m just finished all this excuses and then they just realize really you know that they could be so much faster and get so much more enjoyment from the sport.

Suzanne: now that seem to me it’s a pretty big leap I mean let’s just pretend that I’m coming to you for some personalized training and I’ve got this history behind me you know I didn’t do endurance sports I played things like soccer and volleyball which is kind of a short sharp more explosive sports so when I go to run for a long time it’s not super enjoyable for me and I’ve never been fast. How would you start working with an athlete given that time of a background where you may be I’m already saying to myself I’ll never be fast I just want to finish and not hurt.

Jeff: yeah I just going to try the given a way to those goals just to stop thinking about those goals and focus on what’s the next workout and just let them see that steady progress and then as they start seeing steady progress and then bench marking against other people what they see are just if I can do that then I can do this and then also I think it’s a gradual thing that their mind just finally accepts and starts dreaming and wow I can be faster than that. Yeah we even have a lot of kids we have a junior program and one of the saying that our coached working with the kids then I helped them with have a saying that we always told them “fast is fun and faster is fun’er” and we just get them focused cause some of them think when I go can run longer than a half mile or miles some of them you know depends on their age it’s just real slow but when they get faster work outs gets easier and they start seeing this goals and accomplishments and everything just gets more fun you know they just really enjoy it things are the same with adults.

Suzanne: yeah so you use the phrase the beginning that when the belief sinks in that the can be faster what you’re saying to me is not necessarily this is an open and shut door but that the belief comes by experiencing more wins over and over.

Jeff: exactly, I think when I look at training and what I do and what they do as an athlete there’ just so much chaos out there. There’s so many beliefs, philosophies and theories all this all over the place just a big jungle of mess and so you know they just tend to go out and work hard and push themselves and not achieve very much but when see that there is a method you know that there are methods out there, there is way when we show them specific here’s how we measure here’s how we determined how much you do on this day on this day how much rest do you get and start quantifying them and starts seeing hey this is purposefully they told me I would be this fast in four weeks than I am. And so now I trust this now I trust that you know.

Suzanne: ok so let’s talk a little bit more about the purposefulness of it when you say purposeful I could imagine two different meanings of that, meaning number one is that training session that I do has a in the way that it relates to me getting faster at the end of this four week block. The other way I think of it is purposeful and that I’m going out for a run today I’m going to find some sort of inner self worth from it what kind of meaning are you assigning to define both types of things happening.

Jeff: I think those happen I think the ladder that you said the meaning I think that’s something that’s is transcendent it does go with you from work out after work out and you have to have that purpose in while you are doing it and make sure that’s consistent with the time you’re putting in, the money you’re putting in, the effort you’re putting in and making sure that’s aligned. I do think to your personally you said purposefulness of the work out I think every believes their being purposeful I don’t think anyone goes out and says I have no purpose for today you know the problem is somewhere you are purposely wrong their doing they’re intent is noble and good but they’re just travelling air. And I know that there’s a sane and construction you measure twice cut once cause you can’t once you cut it’s done you can’t redo it. And one of the things we do in Tridot is trying to show them a lot of people with their burdens and heart rate monitors are you’re cutting once and then they get what they measured that’s what they’ve already done. But they have nothing to measure what they should be doing or what they could be doing or what they’re going to do next week so they don’t have those metrics for measuring they’re not measuring at all. They’re going out with intension and then they measure what they’ve already cut that day that hour that session is gone and all they can look at is here’s a bunch of things they don’t know how to work those pieces together.

Suzanne: sure I really like that analogies it’s almost like using the data you’re looking at things that had been done at the past without having any idea of how to take that information and bring it to the future as you say more purposeful training.

Jeff: exactly we have a lot of athletes love the concept of the idea of I want to be self-sufficient I want to able to you know that there’s a pride and taking myself to this level of performance and coaching myself there and I’m going to learn as I go. And funny that it turns out a lot of times you know couple of years into the process one is when they see other people advancing faster I think if they do have great games when they start learning more and more about physiology and all the factors that go their height you know the how long they’ve been on the sport their performance level and as soon as they started using all these different variables in training and getting their results. They go in a year or two all the variable are changed they learn how to train themselves last year or two year experience now they have you know ten pounds lighter one year older you know all this variables have changed their belt, their volume, their workload capacity is different everything changes so they relearn it you know maybe get 50 60 percent right and then the next year the same thing everything changes.

Suzanne: one of the things that are really interesting is that I agree with you a hundred percent that I don’t think there’s any triathlete out there may be saved one or two that are that don’t think what they’re doing is the right thing. You know maybe I am not phrasing correctly but I think everybody has good intentions you know nobody’s going out doing a run workout or swim or a long bike saying I hope I’m going to be a worst triathlete after I finished this. It’s always they’re wanting to get better but maybe they don’t know what better is maybe they don’t have a definition of it or they don’t know the best path from A to B. so they’re doing what others are doing they’re matching their training schedules with their friends when these friends maybe completely different levels. How do you help athletes who want enjoy the social aspect of the sport nut still go and do a personalized training that’s purposeful for their goals?

Jeff: yeah we have a bunch of that we have, when it comes a variety of this difference of different fashions some athletes love to just race all the time and so they just need to recognised the certain races are conducive to developing your fitness and performance you know if they want to go to 30k trail run but their training for Olympic triathlon or an Ironman you know they do different things they just don’t coincides so just being honest with themselves and letting them conceive that the pros and cons of doing that and make their value judgement and go quarterly and then celebrate it great. That’s what you want to do, sometimes it’s having them select a win during the season they do their other races and selecting races that won’t interfere conflict and then so those that’s race related. Then there’s the training related and that’s where we can really help them to organized their week to where they may be doing master swims and they just really love the social and get together with the group or they’re doing some you know a training ride during the week with friends and so well I’m willing to make that the easier ride with the less purposeful ride or if a lot of athletes are very close to their ability level they might talk you know the other athletes their doing more random training to do their set. Hey I’ll bring a set if you do what I’m doing and then they push each other and they’re doing what they need to do. And then another strategy of setting aside even a longer ride setting aside a time ok we’re going to go easy on a 30 minutes then I need to get 1 hour of specific sets you know if that works and then we’re going to just regroup and then ride easy for the last hour and a half were something just developing a plan where they can make the two coexist.

Suzanne: those are great practical tips for triathletes going back to what you said about differences of age body mass, skills and experience. I would hate to have a triathlete turns to his buddy his training partner to hate I can’t train with you anymore because I’m 5 years older than you and 10 pounds lighter, if I’m going out for a weekend ride and there’s someone who matches in pace if that long ride matches my training schedules is it ok to just ride with someone who has the same ridding with the same speed as you are does that question makes sense?

Jeff: oh absolutely I think that’s where the biggest thing, if people performance is matched and the training set is what they both should be doing and there’s no problem with that at all so likely happening is more than that one specific day. It’s how much, how many hours are doing in a week how much of that is that certain quality at certain effort levels how many minutes that each one, how much recovery rest are they getting. And then what can have that you know micro cycle or maybe we can have to two weeks and how much work load is in there and so when they’re trying to really mirror either doing it randomly or mirror someone else’s entire workout program is where the harm comes in because those two athletes are very different but on one particular day that could be a prescribed training that they both should do.

Suzanne: that works for both people.

Jeff: when they do a quality workout 2 days later the other may have you know nothing for another week that’s very intense.

Suzanne: yeah or if you got two people very different abilities and I get this with some husband and wife couples that I train where once a faster runner than the other if the faster person has an easy recovery day and they’re able to run at a pace not pulling the partner out of their prescribed training so that can be a nice way for two people to spend time together who do have very different ability levels.

Jeff: absolutely I think that works great there’s a lot of time in things I have, so another pro female same deal she’ll do quality run a temple run when his husband on his bike so that’s how they even at it. He’ll just easy judge once he get outside and stretch his legs a little bit and he’s running hard, others will jump on a trainer and they may do a quality first 45 minutes of intervals side by side on two trainers and then get off with that and just ride easy for another hour with that certain workout so we’re able to stay together and talking and you know enjoy the latter parts together.

Suzanne: right so I guess that’s goes into the theme of enjoyment you know really being able to enjoy your training and just because you’ve got specific training plan in front of you doesn’t mean you can’t find a way to enjoy that with another person either just rattled off different weights to integrate your training with someone else with different ability.

Jeff: absolutely that I think is just a little bit you know intentionality to it and planning to make it work and as long as expectation and your training buddies are ok with that and you’re willing to work with you to make that happen I think it’s nor a big problem.

Suzanne: yeah I think often a triathlete who’s hired to coach on has a very specific plan and really wants to get into a specific work out. Frequently the friends who are not following specific plans or following the random we don’t feel like doing today plan it seems like they’re usually willing to say Yeah we’ll have some structure today let’s do what you’re doing and so for that one person who’s trying to get things to work out for them just right it can be pretty easy to find training partners as long as you’ve got other people who are willing to play along.

Jeff: absolutely definitely great I see a lot of our athletes that’s does same thing they’ll say Hey I need to do this ride this weekend who’s up for it and then just get people wanted to do that.

Suzanne: yeah you mentioned something earlier about and alignment between a consistent alignment between the time that an athlete’s spending and the money that they’re spending in the sport and that wouldn’t that align with your goals. Can you give an example what you mean by someone whose time and money goals are not aligned with what they’re actually doing?

Jeff: yeah there’s a ton of this there’s a lot of athletes to say my goal is to qualify for Team USA or Sport National you know some say that goal and then they say but I only have enough money for this amount of coaching or for this type of bike for you know whatever. And they make some decisions that are just totally out sink, I have one athlete who is doing his own random training and he just want to finish his goals I want to finish tasks and you know it’s like 9 months away so it’s easy to do and that was his big goal that’s when he set his goal was. He said I don’t have money to get coaching but he got a 4,000 dollar bike and he went in to this out of country Triathlon he spend several thousand dollars planning this stuff 9 months out to do a half and then I spoke with him probably 3 months before and if he weren’t sure he want to go because he started training and didn’t make a progress but he thought he would and he didn’t think he get finished. So he’s having all this internal stress that his goal was to go finish this race so he spend all the money you know in relatively it’s just such a small piece of just making your training time that’s the most valuable aspect of your training has been giving you the most benefit and just making that purposeful. So I that case is totally out of sink in saying that you wanted to finish this bucket of goal but he’s more about spending the money and going on a trip maybe take his camera with him maybe brag it to friends,  I don’t know. But all that is good it’s fine but just make sure those are in sink.

Suzanne: yeah I think it’s more important for the athlete to know and understand what’s their goals are so a lot of athletes don’t understand internally quite what their goal is or maybe they got some fits to false believe about what they should be doing because they read magazines or articles on the web when internally their whole reason for doing triathlon is maybe completely different. So I want to do it share with you an example of an athlete that I’m working with right now and just see what your advice for him would be or how you may had handle things for someone like this because I’m sure it’s not in common. This athlete is a, he works as a lawyer very high stress job as you can imagine and got into triathlon a year ago so this is second year and he’s completed one Olympic distance Triathlon up to this point and he hired me over the winter because he wanted his goals that he described to me he wanted to get away from the weight room from some strength work that he was doing wanted to develop himself more aerobically because he thought it would be healthier he wanted stress relieve from work and he wanted to improve his speed for his upcoming race this year. So we work together for 2 or 3 months and we saw continuous steady progress in his you know his metrics and we really did a good job I think balancing the amount of training time he was doing versus work was an excessive amount of time and through all he was really impressed he is like “Hey faster now than I was in the end of the last summer this is great”. And at that point did he ever express that he felt over trained or over tired or over fatigued so from my perspective as a coach you know he told me his goals are he want to be faster his faster now his not getting tired he still seem to be enjoying training is seem like everything is going along track. And then I didn’t hear from him for 2 weeks and I thought did I say something wrong so when we finally got back in touch it ended up happening is that because I was helping him prepare with the goals that he had described to me he ended up pointing a lot of stress on himself to go and meet this markers you know do the interval work you know not missing a plan work out. It ended up stressing him out way more than he was prepare for didn’t end up being the balance that he wanted from his job. So we completely revamped things he says “You know I really enjoy it when I go up for a run and I hear the birds and I can smell the flowers and that’s what I want on my run you know I don’t want to do interval I don’t want to be looking at my pace watcher staring at my heart rate”. So you know that’s fine with me this is his enjoyment is going out and kind of a getting this Zen like meditative part so we switched things up for him he’s getting a lot more enjoyment than I was training but then I got this kind of a surprising email from him and it said “do you think I could be prepared for my triathlon in June?”, I said “what do you mean prepared?”, he said “do you think I can do it?” and such and such in amount of time. And so he is telling me on one hand he doesn’t want to stress of the structure workouts but on the other hand he wants to do it in a certain time so there’s a lot of conflict going on internally and you know I don’t think he’s the only one with the difficult job and that’s just one example. How would you, what kind of an advice do you have for an athlete like that as far as this conflicting goals and his actions not aligning with his stated desires.

Jeff: I think the only thing you can do is just what you did is have that conversation with him and say ok here’s two things and point that up with their conflicting. I think a lot of athletes don’t realise that in their dealing with they’re coach a lot of them haven’t had coaches before since they were kids and they really don’t know to be you know fort coming proactive with that information and what they’re thinking, what they’re feeling you know depends on what their view I the role with their coach I think it comes with building report over time and having those discussions and making mistakes I wish I should have told you that and you know you’re able to get in that perspective and tell stories of other athletes and you know which is more important to make a choice and I think a lot of times some of that. They’re setting themselves up for false choices they say “either I get stressed out and give this time that I want or I enjoy it and you know have fun with this work out” I think you can do both and so a lot of athlete that stresses themselves I find that a lot with our athletes. A lot of athletes look for a lot of variety for riding sake and anything that’s monotones they get very bored with but a lot of the there’s a lot of monotones training and repeated very purposeful sets they are extremely productive and so being able to appreciate those and looking at them at a different way. And then the specificity of some of those workouts so you have this specific intervals specific rest period and heart rate or power or whatever it is and then when athletes are unable to do those they feel stressed out like I failed like I haven’t done something and or the whole workout the whole session they work late too much stress, trouble with home any number of things they just check it off don’t do it and go on and once they’re ok with that sometimes it’s the coach saying it’s ok just let it go you know no fitness is made by one or two sessions it’s the cumulative effect of all of the session. And so when they understand that they can do you know three months of worth of training and this x present of them and how to you know skip and go on and enjoy or work in a specific session and your west your diet there’s so many things during the day that a fact your performance for that session. It’s just like you know they want to tank the whole think it’s just like a kid in grades school taking a test you know they get a “C” on the paper and then you change the whole curriculum. You just give them a little mediation around that one thing or say it’s a “C” the whole average is still you know “B+” let’s go you know no big deal.

Suzanne: and that’s exactly why I wanted to share that story with you and I like the way you phrase it as a false people get stressed out because they want to have fun but “I want to get faster and finish on this time” but you’re saying you can do both.

Jeff: absolutely fast is fun.

Suzanne: so tell me what makes fast fun I mean I’ve personally experienced some things particularly with swimming whereas swimming develops my swim faster it is more enjoyable not only because I’m seeing a faster time on pace clock but just because that movement creates a lot of satisfaction you know moving faster is fun’er. Well what’s your perspective of what makes fast fun?

Jeff: yeah for me I’m 45 this year so I just like beating the young guys, yeah I think that’s cool someone’s 20 years younger or whatever and that’s just fun competitive encourage them you know more power to them maybe but that’s a personal thing is just the competitive and goals and getting better and I’ve seen so many athletes get better on in to their 60s and literally say. We got a guy placed 4th as an aged group at a 70.3 I’m in better shape now than I was 45 and he’d been a runner been doing Ironman triathlons all that. And so that’s super cool for other people being faster means being able even if they are not highly competitive they are more maybe social or just at enjoyment if they are able to perform better one is they are going to get injured less frequently they’re going to be able to hang on to the group or ride with the group with less effort so they are going to be able to you know talk with everybody else and not panting and gasping for air while everyone else is cutting open and having fun.

Suzanne: right that should make it more fun.

Jeff: yeah they’re going to be able to recover quicker after the different sessions and enjoy their family more I just think there’s so many things and then the biggest thing is I can’t wait to lead with us is when an athlete perform better your performance dictates the duration of your race effort which dictates how much training time is required to prepare so when you have athletes that are performing better and seeing ginormous gain early in the season or in an off season and then keep progressing then the race splits they training we have people that start training for 15 hour Ironman, training for 12 hour Ironman. And then the training time required for that 12 hour effort is much less and the bulk of our athletes will do that in under 13 or 15 hours with only couple of weeks of 13 hour of training and don’t go sub 12 sub 10 you know all in there. And so I think that allows you to do this sport longer so I think you know some of that burn out that the people that get stress and don’t enjoy is their working so hard for so long and takes such toll but if you’re able to participate in the sport and cut your time that you have to invest by 20 30 percent and still perform better then you can keep doing that longer with your engines it is just or anything that are just many you know different aspects of what makes it more enjoyable and more sustainable in health and relationship.

Suzanne: and I think that triathletes who are just starting out if you’re in that category you listen to this podcast the sooner you start to find ways you really enjoy it the more you’re going to look forward to it and the more you’ll stick with it and the more gains you’re going to make. You know that there’s the benefit of just having that consistency in training and if people get, if you like yourself get stressed out about training and I know this is true for me if I have a run or something that I a certain amount that I didn’t enjoy and I was really sorry for the next few day. I might take like 4 5 days off form the run and I feel worse when I go back to it because I just waited too long so for me finding ways to make my run really fun you know I got a beautiful city park that’s 2 blocks from my house if I can go from a trail run it’s a sunny day out and I can just go on a sunny route run rather than the shady route run it makes a really big difference in how much I enjoy things. You know let alone the additional purposefulness of what kind of what kind of intensity of session I’m doing but just finding ways to make the training itself fun.

Jeff: absolutely I couldn’t agree more I think there, especially on the lower intensity days where the exact pace are a lot less important a lot of those days take 1 or 2 days a week and don’t wear the garment or anything just go on proceed definite real easy don’t look at anything just enjoy.

Suzanne: you know that reminds me of the story of one of my swimmers that I’m working with and see if you can relate to this she had been doing a lot of swim training you know very dedicated athlete fits in that same category we talked about you know every time that she go out to swim she was being, she was wanting to do the right thing but it just wasn’t resulting in gains and at the end of every swim she’ll look at her garment and see how fast she went and after every swim she would say “gee I’m really slow”. You know that was her internal talk and when we first start working together I was curious of one of the garment data what I wasn’t with her doing the lessons I could see her performance but just having to watch on her wrist posture to swim in different way cause you to think different way, cause you to not focus on this skills and the techniques and so was not a useful tool and in any means it’s actually a harmful tool for her. So we spent many months with her just not wearing the tracking device so that she can get some of this more enjoyable experiences so that she would keep swimming and keep practicing the skill. And over the past few weeks we introduce the garment very carefully one of the exercises that I gave to her was to swim 4 sets of 400 and he was supposed to use her tempo trainer for the 1st set and the 3rd set at a tempo that I specified for and for the 2nd and the 4th set t not use a tempo trainer and just see if she can maintain the same tempo can you do the same thing without a tempo trainer. You know there’s a very specific purpose in the workout when she looked at the garment at the end of the workout her very first thought was “gee I’m slow”. And I said to her what about your tempo do your tempo stay the same in assess we didn’t have the tempo trainer on and all this a light bulb went off on her head and she’s like “you know what you’re right I was able to hold the same tempo that I did with the tempo trainer but I didn’t have to use it”. So all of a sudden she started to recognise that there are some ways that she can use this technology for the process of training and not just looking at the end result of speed and as a result of that she’s continued to get faster and faster than a past few weeks.

Jeff: that’s great I love that I have a lot of athletes all of our coaches too they’re really focused on every single session they want to PR every session they want to make those games I every single sessions versus just doing workouts taking medicine you know different medicine you get from a doctor you know just wait you’re not going to feel effects of benefits for 3 days, 5 days this workout you’re not going to feel for 3 weeks. You know so just go do the workout and trust the process, enjoy what you are doing and you’ll see the gains I think that’s a mental perspective they don’t have a great quality coach like you to tell them and to teach them and put them into process for some athletes for a long time.

Suzanne: yeah you know keeps bringing back to the statement you made in the very beginning where you said you know the belief sinks in that they can be a faster athlete I just want to revisit that again and see if you have any other insights about the things that we say to ourselves that holds us back. How do you see people overcoming that sort of limiting self-perception? Is it too broad of a question? Ok so let’s take the example of the woman I just described where her constant mental feedback is “I’m a slow swimmer, I’m a slow swimmer, I’m a slow swimmer”. In your experience working with athletes what are some of the tools that you use to help people see and recognise progress.

Jeff: I think it’s just focusing then on the process, the process leads to progress so when they are not focused on an outcome on a bench mark on time assessment is going to happen 3 or 5 weeks they just focus on going easy when it’s time to go easy go moderate pace or a fast you know they have very specific goals just do that particular workout as best you can and if you don’t hit the exact lots if you, you know anything that happens don’t worry your goal is to do it as best as you can and as long as they do that they’re going to see goals over time they’re going to have their ups and downs but they’ll see that. And so really reminding them giving them on the sessions what they say I work I gave everything I have but I didn’t hit the space where I didn’t “great job that’s what you did you had worked all night to the night shift whatever good”. And they get those pat on the backs and they see and recover and feel better 2 weeks later and I try to make a note to circle back around so when they do they have that next assessment or whatever it is and show they gained the progress. You remember 2 weeks ago when you had a session I didn’t to because you’re tired you’re dealing with the kids or whatever and help them remind them about circumstance and didn’t take 2 or 3 times of that where when those times happen and come up again like “uh this is I’ve been here before, I felt like this before, I thought this before” those internal stories that they’re telling.

Suzanne: yeah exact I was going to use the term conditioning sort of reconditioning people to recognise that a struggle on 1 day does not mean lack of progress 2 or 3 weeks down the road. So do you find that there’s a differences in athlete personalities where some athletes require a lot more of that reconditioning ad retraining process for the mental talk.

Jeff: absolutely I think there are lot better very emotion driven and others that you know just let it go they look at, you know explain something logically and they just accept it and go with it. I think it’s just like the other personality or a way of thinking and like athletes coming into training and some that just believe these arbitrary guidelines and they just live by that, some volume of anything kind of you know different or how many days or week should be hard and I actually have 1 hard session per week. So what defines hard if you got 2 minutes hard is that count as that you know what if you did 2 minutes hard 4 days a week would that be too much. Well you know I guess it does matter how much hard you do it how hard, hard is you know and start breaking down some of those things and think differently and view what they’re doing differently view the results differently and at least just kind of a blank canvas and so you’re able to form some very good official habits and some help sustainable attitude towards their training.

Suzanne: you have a kid’s team as well that you work with or a junior’s team.

Jeff: we do it’s usually the junior high performance team.

Suzanne: do you feel like it’s a little bit easier to get that sort of a response out of kids that it is out of adults or it is some same sort of process where you’re conditioning them to accept hard days as being ok or days of struggle being ok.

Jeff: I think there’s a lot of lesson there’s a whole lot of similarities I think it’s quite similar there are athletes, younger athletes that are from you know volleyball, wrestling, and hockey, and you know some of this you know more fast switch and I think they’re slow and so as soon as you go we’re going to do sprints they’re cruising around and they’re doing short rest but then you say “ok we’re going to run half mile” and then they slow the way down. And so it’s just the same they believe you know that they don’t have a capacity to do it and so some if that takes a lot of some are doing it same as adults for friends and fun and they enjoy it. Others are super competitive they’re running way too fast every single workout because they want to come in first or with the first person and s. you know getting them to learn different years different effort levels and you know a lot of them are younger they are they have two speeds you know off and on. And so it is I think the same personalities exists in a little different ways and for a little different reasons but I think those are the same exact attitudes and perception and processes. People learn how to relearn, as a child or as an adult.

Suzanne: what about just the theme of the overall enjoying the training you know first of all just enjoying it to go out there and do doing it and enjoying the satisfaction of getting faster. Any other similarities of differences you see between the spectrums of ages from you know young, pre-teen to teen agers to early college age to grown adults.

Jeff: I think it’s pretty similar I know that there is that you know invincible years from 16 to 25 you know whether invincible or risk takers and just kind of a go for it and their bodies recover fast they have a lot of energy so they’re they see gains very quickly I think they take them for granted they can do bad training they can do all kinds of things and still progress. And it’s the same way for anyone new to the sport they can see a lot of gains just from going to less active to more active so that shift but then I think for the older that adults get and the older that they are that learning to settle down that the progression and the growth counts slower and have to be more purposeful and they can’t rely on that athleticism that my had have earlier some of that muscle and power and injuries take longer and recover from and they never fully recover just all of those things. I think that’s something that’s I’m certain to deal with even at 45 but I think that’s a harder transition because there’s just many more years of gone into they’re mind-set.

Suzanne: yeah that make a lot of sense, winding down on time here Jeff I wanted to give you a chance to share any anything helpful for people who were listening for example are there any great books that you would recommend motivational books or books about helping people learn to accept belief that they can be faster or get rid of their negative beliefs or what kind of resources do you direct people to that’s kind of a broad question as well. What do you have to share with people other than giving you a direct call phone and chatting with you for an hour?

Jeff: yeah I guess you if I was going to I think that’s personal what motivates people in different ways and what speaks to them I guess in different ways. I would take it to even a level you know out of sport just a higher level are I prefer people over the viral honestly and that’s what mine comes from that and seen the purpose in what we’re doing and you know someone’s not a Christian you know it’s the same mentality. This is just a sport you know they shouldn’t be doing this sport the sport that spends of their family, spends of their health, their kids of all of this things is so they can see how to use the interactions with the people they come in contact with just be a blessing to other people to encourage them to invest in their lives to be a good example. I mean raising for cause there so many different ways to incorporate enduring meaning and have an impact in this world for good and to do that through the sport and more fun you know faster is funnier I mean that’s even more funnier they have this higher purpose and this reason they do what they do the same reason that gets them up in the morning to go to work or the same reason that gets them to be a good dad or mom or husband or wife or whatever that is. The same thing they can attach to and be the best triathlete they can be and keep this in perspective keep the high qualities high. I would do that what that motivation is elsewhere is the reason for being, and I figure out how to blend that in to this activity this one thing we’re just privileged to be able to have the health and resources to be able to do.

Suzanne: since we’re kind of on this topic do you want to take a minute and describe what Tri for him is all about and the team jerseys that we see on the website.

Jeff: oh sure there’s a lot it’s a Christian Triathlon club it’s really led at the local level and so we just have athletes out there that are united let say in sport, in spirit both and share our love for Jesus Christ at the same time. They love the sport and being healthy and so, that’s their primary goal our mission statement is to honour God through our effort so they can honour God with their effort, their attitude, their sportsmanship their going to glorify Jesus Christ as the reason of their doing it He loved us first so we’re loving other people at least in the last one is just loving other. We host mission trips Uganda, orphanages, abused woman shelter, and pancake breakfast you all kinds of little stuff of how can you use the sport to minister and be a blessing to other people who need it and we’re about 20 different countries of athletes that are racing and just doing life with friends.

Suzanne: wow that’s great I had no idea that it was that big.

Jeff: yeah it’s been cool.

Suzanne: very cool alright Jeff well thank you very much for joining us and I really appreciate you’re unique perspective and I hope that your listeners have gotten a lot out of this and we’ll give you some information where you can learn more about Jeff Booher and TriDot coaching as well as Tri for him, thanks Jeff have a great afternoon.

Jeff: thank you Suzanne bye.

Suzanne: bye

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